An Innovative Way to Negligently Discharge

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This could also easily be entitled Rampant Stupidity or Tactical Trolling? Part Deux (here’s part one for you to peruse at your leisure). However, at least one part of this concept is sound.

Using a light to make positive ID before shooting is important. But of course, unless you’re duct taping a maglite to your gun, you have to have a way to use it.

There are a number of ways to control your weapon lights, lasers, and other attachments. We’ve got tailcaps with momentary and constant-on features, a variety of pressure switches, and even holsters that activate your lights/lasers upon the draw. The pros and cons of each configuration are subject to debate, especially the “activated upon draw” functionality.

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Light, laser, and attachment configurations

Now if you just have one light, life can be relatively simple. Find a configuration you like and go. But running more than one device means more than one activation system or a dual switch. Last year at SHOT Show we saw a collaboration between TNVC and Unity Tactical called the TAPS. It stands for Tactical Augmented Pressure Switch. It’s programmable, has modular leads (for different device compatibility and multiple wire lengths), and attaches to a variety of rifle fore-end configurations (read more about it here). Though it was supposed to be released last summer, we’ve yet to see it on shelves.

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Tactical Augmented Pressure Switch

The ability to program output provided it’s done properly could be a boon for those running more than one device. Recently we came across a second company offering the same ability. All good, right?

Well…. read on.


The second company is called TriggerPoint Technology. We’re not sure how long they’ve been around but their homepage seems to have existed since at least 2012. They make a control module called the TRAMM (Tactical Rail Accessory Management Module). You can attach up to four devices and can trigger multiple devices at the same time. There’s a wheel selector on the back.

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Tactical Rail Accessory Management Module
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Tactical Rail Accessory Management Module, internal view
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Tactical Rail Accessory Management Module, attached

Alright, so it looks like a canoeing dry box attached to your gun. While it lacks a little finesse, that isn’t our main complaint.

There are two ways to activate devices hooked into the TRAMM. The first is this piece that secures to your magwell.

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Trigger Point attatchment
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Trigger point attached to magwell

If we just stopped right here, everything would be fine. Not perfect mind you, but a good concept moving forward. And indeed, the ‘TRAMS Basic’ stops at this point. Unfortunately and as usual, we don’t stop here. Here’s the other way it can be activated:

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Trigger touch activation

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Yes. You put your finger on the trigger. To activate your light. We can’t imagine anything ever going wrong with this one. Oh yeah, apparently there’s also a pistol version. For the M&P no less. But don’t worry, police should be trained enough to not accidentally…. nevermind.

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Trigger activation

You can visit the homepage of TriggerPoint here. If you think you can survive the whole thing, they have a 32-minute video on Vimeo here. We feel we would be remiss if we didn’t also include that the price is $750 for the TRAMS with the trigger. Err well, probably $750, as the same page also lists a price of $595. Chalk it up to inflation? Thanks, Obama.

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TRAMS Advanced product page
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20 thoughts on “An Innovative Way to Negligently Discharge

  • February 29, 2016 at 3:52 pm
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    This was the reply I got from Terry Abst and I am entirely sure it is utter bullshit.

    “Sir:

    Considering the product was developed with close cooperation with the U.S. Infantry Small Arms Branch of the Soldier Requirements Division at the Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning, GA,

    You can blow it out your ass.”

    If somebody in Benning DID have anything to do with this then they deserve a dishonourable discharge. Maybe a few years in Leavenworth…

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  • February 29, 2016 at 2:45 pm
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    The fuckwits are back online apparently… Sent in a letter to show my displeasure for all the good it’ll do. Half tempted to call their office number and tell them directly.

    Also, last time I checked weren’t devices like this specifically BANNED at almost every range with a halfway decent safety policy?

    I know products like this violate the range safety policy for any training facility that allows urban training as well as just standard firing lines.

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  • January 5, 2016 at 1:46 pm
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    In training I saw tons of misfires and people getting beat up one side and down the other because they didn’t understand that your finger stays OFF the trigger until you’re ready to kill something. I can guarantee that a product like that would NEVER pass muster north of the border to get approved for use here. If I were in the field or at a training event and saw someone with that shit on their gun I’d stay the fuck away from them right away and grab a coordinator to have that person removed for the safety of the rest of us.

    Training with firearms is dangerous enough, why the hell would we make it more dangerous?!

    Also tried to look at their website and it looks like it got taken down. Looked for their products online and can’t find them anywhere anymore. If I saw it on Amazon etc I’d report them for being insanely dangerous.

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  • January 5, 2016 at 12:58 pm
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    Not to back up this asshat at all because the idea and product are unequivocally stupid but…

    I believe the idea behind the trigger activation was that the laser would go from a steady on (by pushing the magwell switch) to a pulsing beam (when you depress the trigger switch). The idea, I know it’s stupid don’t blame me, was that the pulsing beam would indicate to the shooter that their finger was now on the trigger. As in, whoops! My finger jumped to the trigger!, so you can take it off the trigger. Never mind that it is probably too late at that point or that people will want to use the switch to activate the laser even though they shouldn’t (and a million other bad things) but I believe this is their reasoning.

    The dummy from the company should have tried to at least explain that rather than coming in swinging but you can’t discount stupidity in this market.

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  • January 5, 2016 at 7:19 am
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    MAD DUO? I think y’all can claim a stepon here, looking around the intrawebsthingy you banged this a$$ first. Congrats! TFB appears to have gotten sloppy seconds.

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  • January 4, 2016 at 9:23 pm
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    Is it just me of is their whole website gone?

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    • January 5, 2016 at 7:12 am
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      Not just you, I sent the link to a few people and they could not access. I just tried again, 08:11 1/6/16 and nothing.

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  • January 4, 2016 at 7:05 pm
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    Keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot

    Keep….your finger…off the trigger….until you’re ready to shoot.

    KEEP OFF TRIGGER READY TO SHOOT

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  • January 4, 2016 at 9:17 am
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    Its hard enough teaching people not to flag each other – now we have intentional flagging with their finger on the trigger… Awesome.

    One has to ask: Who approved this and how did it pass the smell check?

    I guess the effects of adrenaline / stress / fatigue never factored in to this; however, that could be simply explained by the possibility that the people who came up with this have never cleared a building, in the dark – – with the possibility of real bad people being in said dark… It’s not for everyone. [smiley face]

    I can see a market for this since those who don’t know what they don’t know.

    As for my clan and me, we prefer not to have our fingers on said triggers unless, well, preaching to the choir at this point…

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  • January 3, 2016 at 9:44 am
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    Yes, a switch to turn on a light attached to the trigger just screams “shoot the wrong shit”. The mag well switch, on that other hand, looks good to go. Perhaps, Mr Abst, instead of being so quick to take offense, y’all should just consider switch placement someplace other than on the trigger. Oh, and reducing that price tag, just a bit steep.

    As for the “gentlemen” operating this establishment, it is my past experience that they have a clue, bought and paid for the hard way. Not the most genteel or tactful of gangs, they say what they think and mean what they say and they are usually quite ready to admit when they are wrong.

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  • January 3, 2016 at 9:44 am
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    It’s a Dark & scary scene. 1. Go to activate your light. …..2. ….. fish around your mag on the floor in the dark. 3. Profit.

    LOLOLOL

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    • January 4, 2016 at 7:29 am
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      Saw no few troops drop mag while firing M203 at the range, always good for a laugh. Checking the pics they have posted the light switch is below the mag release, don’t appear to be that big a problem. That trigger switch, though, has FAIL just dripping off it.

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  • January 2, 2016 at 10:15 pm
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    Well as long as they will promise I will keep my job when I ad into a wall when a cat jumps off a shelf while clearing a room I’m game. I’m guessing this is a product from a visit with the good idea fairy.

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  • January 2, 2016 at 8:50 pm
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    I’ve been looking for ways to accidentally shoot people while activating my weapon light…

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  • January 2, 2016 at 1:26 pm
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    Sirs: your blog about Trigger Point is both misleading and fundamentally incorrect.

    Why don’t you call me so we can have a discussion like sane people before you feed crap to people?

    Terry Abst

    209-604-7667

    Or are you too entrenched in your own self importance to learn the truth?

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    • January 2, 2016 at 11:44 pm
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      Mr. Abst: please screenshot which part of the article is misleading or incorrect. If there is something on there that is, in fact, factually incorrect we will happily call you. It certainly looks to us as though all the information in this post can be easily substantiated by reading your website and watching the video (which is where we obtained the information). Now, you might object to the title of the article, and you might object to our dubiety, but as best we can tell nothing written this article is incorrect. Kindly point out here, clearly and publicly, what we misstated, misrepresented or just flat out fucked up and we will happily eat crow and apologize (likewise clearly and publicly). We will happily then have a conversation afterward. As far as being entrenched in self importance, some of our guys are certainly cocky…but neither hubris nor a sense of self importance had anything whatsoever to do with anything in this article. We look forward to your rebuttal. Kind regards, the management. Mad Duo

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      • January 3, 2016 at 1:35 am
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        This is why we love you Mad Duo, ya’ll be like consummate professionals or something.

        Rough talking, hard hitting, straight shooting professionals. I can’t ask for more, nor would I dare do so.

        Seriously though, from their own website “Trigger Touch CONTROL provides the fastest targeting capability in the World. Imagine instant target visualization during Close Quarter Battle by touching the trigger. “CONTROL THE LIGHT, CONTROL THE FIGHT’ “.

        And here I thought God let us invent flashbangs for a reason…

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      • January 12, 2016 at 11:54 am
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        No need to call. They’ll be out of business in no time at all. Even most of the idiots on the internet will recognize this is as dangerous and will not buy it.

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    • January 3, 2016 at 11:52 pm
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      Why are both of the videos pulled down on your website?

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