Price Gouging, M855 Ammo, and "Gun Control by Proxy"

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Before losing your mind on the attempts of the wannabe ‘Gun Show Millionaires’ let’s try to actually do something worthwhile Mad Duo

Meanwhile at the Gun Show

First, let’s address the issue of price gouging and panic buying when it comes to the BATFE’s latest tomfuckery.

Price gouging – it’s really only price gouging if lots of retailers/distributors are doing it. In simplest terms, without buyers (i.e. shooters or some other consumer) there’s no marketDon’t get sucked into the sort of fuckery Cheaper Than Dirt and similar merchants perpetrate. Spend your money on a company with a proven track record of good customer service and common-sense business practices. It isn’t illegal to be the business equivalent of a douchebag, but it should be reflected in your clientele. This is why we buy from the places we do (if you want a list of where we “shop”, let us know in the comment section). Don’t pay exorbitant prices unless there is legitimately no other choice (which is rarely the case).

Panic buying – don’t be a dumbass. First of all, you should already have at least a little “buffer ammo” socked away, though for some folks without a place to store it or the expendable income to stash some away that can be problematic. If we’ve learned anything about the myriad of previous panics, it should be to stock up when you need it before the next one hits. Use your head, gang; common sense should not be an uncommon virtue. More to the point,

“Let me just say this… If you didn’t need M855/SS109 ammo two days ago, you probably don’t need it today. You should already have ammo on hand for whatever you may think you need it for. Stop with the panic buying and driving prices up. Consumers create a buying panic, focus instead on the ATF who is attempting to convince people that the most commonly available round for ARs is now somehow illegal because of a bullshit law.” Sam Cummins, American Defense Manufacturing

Now, about the attempted ban. As Sam so eloquently pointed out, it is a bullshit law. The simple fact is, yet another round of gun control efforts has failed so they’re going to try a different tack – they’ll fuck with our ammunition. How else could you possibly explain the attempted criminalization of what is arguably the most popular round for the country’s most ubiquitous rifle?

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Ya can’t, unless you’ve been ingesting Windex in vast quantities. All of that nonsense about saving LEO lives is a contrivance. If you’re reading this, you already know most rifle rounds will defeat the soft armor cops wear on the street. The proliferation of AR pistols has exactly Fuck and All to do with it.

That’s our take on it. You can disagree, but you’d be wrong.

There are a number of different petitions, pages and grass roots efforts out there working to head the new BATFE ruling off at the pass. We prefer the one below, but other good ones may be out there. If so, let us know.

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/act/federal/oppose-atf-ammo-ban/

Don’t just sit around and bitch about this one. Do something – to do otherwise is to be complicit.

If nothing else, contact the BATFE directly: [email protected]. Speak intelligently and be polite – ranting and raving will do us no good at all, however cathartic it might be.

Okay, you now have a couple options. Move out and draw fire.

Bullet Types

Here’s what the BATFE said recently on their Facebook page:

ATF Wants Your Comments on Armor Piercing Ammunition Exemption Framework

ATF is interested in hearing from you. ATF released for public comment a framework, including legal and technical analysis, to guide its determinations on what ammunition is “primarily intended for sporting purposes.” The framework is intended to uphold the requirements of the statute and its goal of law enforcement protection while respecting the interests of sportsmen and the industry. The framework is not a final determination; ATF will accept comments for 30 days, and will finalize the framework after considering those comments and making any appropriate adjustments.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended, provides the Attorney General the authority to exempt projectiles from the restrictions applicable to “armor piercing” ammunition if he determines the projectile is “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.” Between 1986 and 2011 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) received few requests for such exemptions. Since 2011 ATF has received approximately 30 such exemption requests.

The GCA defines “armor piercing ammunition” as:

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.”

Pursuant to the GCA, ammunition that meets this definition may be eligible for an exemption from the statutory restrictions placed on armor piercing ammunition if ATF finds the ammunition is “primarily intended” for sporting purposes. As part of its review process of the pending exemption requests, ATF sought input from industry and law enforcement organizations on the application of the “sporting purpose” exemption set forth in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C).

It is important to note that the limitation on “armor piercing ammunition” in the GCA does not apply to projectiles manufactured exclusively from non-restricted materials such as copper and lead; it only applies to projectiles that include the specifically restricted materials, and can be used in a handgun. The framework will not apply to projectiles manufactured exclusively from non-restricted materials; licensed manufacturers will continue to be free to manufacture such projectiles without seeking an exemption. For the complete framework go to http://ow.ly/JJHiE

ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments.

Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

• ATF e-mail: [email protected]

• Fax: (202) 648-9741.

• Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

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18 thoughts on “Price Gouging, M855 Ammo, and "Gun Control by Proxy"

  • March 5, 2015 at 10:09 am
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    Have you priced land lately, dirt is not cheap. I too would like to know what trusted sellers you use.

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  • March 4, 2015 at 8:24 pm
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    SO, where can I find the Human Pheromone Seeking AP round? Is it available in .30 ? can’t afford the .33 and .50 stuff, and hell, above that becomes an area fire round anyhow. Love the rag!

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  • March 4, 2015 at 10:02 am
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    Hi great article why must we have to be reminded that we control most of the things we think we have no control over. I live in NJ and when they predict snow all the sheep rush out in their SUV’s and buy up all the bread and milk. Why? Haha. I would love to know what trusted sellers you use for buying ammo.

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  • March 4, 2015 at 8:34 am
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    So I am somewhat sympathetic to “price gougers” because it takes a willing seller and a willing buyer to make a transaction. I have a healthy amount of buffer ammo so I can wait this panic buying out. If M855 pricing gets crazy and I have the opportunity to trade out of all my M855 into another round and double or triple my inventory level I just might do it.. Does that make me a price gouger or opportunist?

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  • March 3, 2015 at 10:20 pm
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    i would like to know respectable suppliers

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    • March 4, 2015 at 8:29 pm
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      May I suggest you look at SGAmmo.com… check it out. Your call…

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  • March 3, 2015 at 1:54 pm
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    I would also like to know where you guys spend your hard earned money at. Always looking for an honest company to support. x2

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  • March 2, 2015 at 11:39 am
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    I would also like to know where you guys spend your hard earned money at. Always looking for an honest company to support.

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  • March 2, 2015 at 9:13 am
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    Another thing we should work at, as the video blogger “Bang ‘n Twang” pointed out, is to get our legislators to exempt rifle ammo from the ‘Cop Killer’ bs laws so that the ATF will have clear guidance not to even try this shit anymore.

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    • March 4, 2015 at 9:45 pm
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      It’s not about RIFLE ammo, but THEORETICALLY, AP ammo that can be used IN A HANDGUN. I suppose the proliferation of AR and AK and HK “pistols” may have something to do with this development. ATFs “guidance” comes from POTUS, B.H.Obama. That is what it’s about..the executive branch forcing upon us ITS’ WILL, NOT the intent or the letter of the law!!! You are correct in that the original law was passed as a feel-good measure with no basis in reality…a bull shit thing!

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  • March 2, 2015 at 8:01 am
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    a list would be great.

    I try to squirl away half

    of every case I buy .

    Have a limit I don’t like to drop below.

    Carried me well through sandy hook panic.

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  • March 2, 2015 at 6:49 am
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    Here’s where I may or may not standout from the crowd, but if you read and respond sans emotion I think you will see what I’m attempting to communicate. Many agree and have taken to the politicians they did/didn’t elect, many disagree and act on emotion, and others are still trying to wade through the passed off ramblings of others (and myself).

    Just allow me a few mins to explain. Everyone need to think NOT about the “sporting purpose” as outlined. While I don’t know with 100% certainty…Id put a paycheck on the fact that when the 2A was being drafted/ written the concern (or knowledge) of any sort of AP round wasn’t the point. Fast forward to today’s climate and provide me true statistics of where use of M855/SS109 resulted in a percentage or portion of the percentage that comes close to “conventional ammunition” use in crime after crime against civ/LE in our Country since it’s INCEPTION??? It will not. Because it doesn’t .

    ITS NOT ABOUT AN “AP” ROUND, ITS ABOUT CONTROLLING WHAT IS “ALLOWED” TO BE FIRED/HOW IT CAN BE FIRED/WHEN IT CAN BE FIRED/BY WHOM IT CAN BE FIRED.

    For all out there, please don’t get sucked into the “sporting” issue that is pushed or focused on. Continue to look at THE BIGGER PICTURE and ask how this move will continue to affect/strengthen “their” next move and the next and the next……

    Act. Use your voice. Please. It’s EASY…. a lot of company’s already send the letter. You just ha email to enter your info and hit send. Dbl tap it by getting off your buttstock and spend the $1.79 on a stamp (or whatever it costs now) and put it in a mailbox so your politician of choice sees it (the actual act detailing your stance on this subject).

    This is another nail in the coffin, how many will “you” allow before you make some noise letting “they/them” know you are still here?

    Food for thought. Great article by the way.

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  • March 1, 2015 at 7:41 pm
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    a list of where you guy shop would be help full, already sent atf e-mail

    thanks

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  • March 1, 2015 at 6:07 pm
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    Easy way to contact your state reps and senators, put together by Gun Owners of America -http://cqrcengage.com/gunowners/app/write-a-letter?0&engagementId=81297

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  • March 1, 2015 at 5:37 pm
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    So just curious where do you by your ammo? I agragree cheaper than dirt..isn’t.

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  • March 1, 2015 at 5:04 pm
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    I’m curious where you guys would shop or recommend spending hard earned dollars.

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  • March 1, 2015 at 4:04 pm
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    Good article. Very well put about how we dedicate the price.

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  • March 1, 2015 at 2:32 pm
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    Where still has any left that isn’t outrageously priced?

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