Mike Lamb Is a Liar…So What, Who Cares?

In today’s guest op-ed, Sam Hayes weighs in. The opinions herein are the author’s alone — we know not everyone will agree (not all of us agree on any given subject, unless it’s about terrorists being shot in the face) and by all means you’re allowed to express your dissent, of which there will be a lotDon’t conflate one opinion/editorial with the opinion of the organization write large…but don’t expect us to apologize for giving someone with a difference of opinion the pulpit for a day either.  Just try not to needlessly inject too much invective. As you may recall, we welcome discussion, skepticism and outright disagreement — after all, Jane is an Ignorant Slut. With that in mind, read on. Or not. Respond or retort as you will…or not.  -Mad Duo

Edit: for those who are unaware, this follows a previous article about Michael Lamb written here. The Scout Sniper and Recon communities were contacted early on and advised of the the article (though many of them were already very much in the know). We’ve been told someone from that community will be writing an article or making a statement, but we’re not entirely sure when their ops tempo will allow it (or in fact whether this will be an official or personal statement). Once that becomes available, we’ll publish it and post a link here. You can also find a well-crafted outline of how the falsehood began and continued here.

Grunts: invective.

Lastly, remember, before your passions get inflamed: Jane is an ignorant slut


Mike Lamb is A Liar…So Who Cares?!?!?!

Sam Hayes

If Mike Lamb lying about being Recon upsets you but you still applaud Chris Kyle as a hero and ignore his lies simply because he’s dead…go fuck yourself.

I don’t know Mike Lamb. Never met him, never spoke to him, didn’t know he existed until last year when someone in the Primary & Secondary Facebook group told me I should watch a shotgun video he did to see the merits of Velcro side saddles. What I saw in the video that supported my point against them, was a round that jumped out the sidesaddle and fell to the ground while he was shooting — after he’d praised the Velcro side-saddle as being the best option to securely carry extra ammo.

That was my first and last experience with him. As a result, I can’t speak much to his character or abilities as an instructor. What I can say is that I’m tired of all this whiney, crybaby stolen valor bullshit I’m seeing as fallout to him being outed spreading across the internet. Especially because many of those who complained the loudest, helped create the environment where his lie was able to thrive.

I’ve never been a cop. I have no high speed military background to validate my reputation as an instructor. I’m a regular guy. I believe, and I’m told by my peers, that my background that gives me a unique perspective. That background that involves multiple arrests (no convictions), time spent in jail (awaiting disposition, bail, etc) and rides in the back of police cars. A background that has also afforded me the opportunity to work with the State Department, Secret Service, DHS and a number of fortune 100 companies providing protective details to high net worth individuals and dignitaries.

This background, along with my proclivity for telling folks to get bent, has also made me an outsider in the ranks of industry high speed operator badass instructors from assorted LEO/MIL backgrounds. As an outsider, I see things differently about this whole Mike Lamb/Stolen Valor bullshit.

On some levels, I think this entire debacle is the training community’s fault.

See, when I decided I wanted to expand my brand on a national level, I learned very quickly how the training community was structured. It’s basically a high school “mean girls” club made up of mostly Beta males pretending to be Alphas, and the fanboys who love them. When their ideas are challenged and their logic breaks down because their bullshit is exposed, the whining begins and their skirts are exposed. In order to be “valued and respected” you have to have previously been employed in a “thank you for your service” profession.

This is why guys like Mike Lamb create the lies and thrive in the industry.

The firearms training industry and all the reverence placed around those with a “high speed, been there done that” resume is synonymous with success and respect, regardless of the content or quality of the material being taught.

This success translates into filled classes, endorsements, followers/fans and notoriety. It feeds the ego as well, and what guys doesn’t want his ego stroked and his pockets stuffed? With all of this at stake, it is easy to see why someone would lie or embellish his background. Not everyone was raised with the same values. Lying to some (or any) degree might not be seen as a bad thing. Especially not when it’s been done for twenty years as is the case here.

If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes your truth.

As I see it, the industry places very little value on whether or not an instructor has good material, the ability to evaluate and correct his students’ performance, and whether or not the material is delivered in a cogent and professional manner relevant to the students’ lifestyle. Instead, large parts of it is built on the legends and myths of the past lives of the instructors and photos of them kitted out in the latest operator gear from their deployments, as well as stories about killing the enemies of freedom and democracy.

What Mike did, by definition, is not actually Stolen Valor. From what I’ve been able to determine thus far, he’s claimed no medals or awards, which by definition would violate the Stolen Valor Act of 2013. Military imposter is a more apropos, but even still a bit sketchy because he actually served and deployed (according to his story), lying about the unit he deployed with. In the grand scheme of life and all the troubles our country faces, and the giant Cheeto in the White House provoking North Korea, Iran and the Middle East…just why is “Mike Lamb” lying about being Recon even important?

I’ll tell you why: because it bruises the ego of the fantasy role-players with guns who gave him money because they thought they were training with a bad ass Recon Marine. Never mind that the content of his coursework might still be good…to hell with that, they wanted that selfie with a Recon badass and now they’ve learned they were been duped.

Lying is rarely okay. Lying to people and letting them give you money as a result of those lies is probably illegal (fraud).

When will those of you who support the training community by attending classes come to grips with what is really important for your training needs? When will you accept responsibility for properly vetting the instructors you give your money to? When will you accept responsibility for training only with those whose philosophy aligns with yours regardless of how they came to develop it? Mike Lamb, Corey Jackson, James Yeager, Sonny Puzikas and a host of others are the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. It’s an industry that created a “less than” mentality for those who might be otherwise capable but don’t look “shiny” enough on paper due to their lack of military exploits or LE gunfights on Any Street, USA.

Stop swinging from the dicks of legendary personas.  Choose your trainers on teaching ability and value of the material. We’re here to share information that saves lives, not be the subject of your fan clubs and tactical circle jerks with you and your gun club buddies.

Mike Lamb is a liar…so what, so are many others. What is more significant is what his lie represents — it’s the widespread problem in the firearms training community so many won’t speak of. This pervasive line of rhetoric validates the idea that military combat experience, or being a badass SWAT dude, has anything to do with transferable skillsets applicable to the average civilian’s self-defense needs.

That is the 800lb lying-ass elephant in the room that creates guys like Mike Lamb. Many students deep throated his lie because they thought it was cool that he was Recon, not because the quality of his material was good.

I suspect that he won’t be the last the industry falls for. Wise up or wipe your chin. Either way, quit your bitchin’ and move on.

-Sam Hayes



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About the Author:12141719_10206274522434651_6029419795748737991_n Samuel Hayes is an Atlanta-based physical security specialist and instructor in matters of violence. He tells us during his 25 year career in the private sector he has worked full-time as a personal protection specialist for a diverse clientele to include foreign heads of state, Grammy award-winning artists, CEOs and Forbes 400 list alumni.

By his own description, he now works to teach others to defend themselves against the very sort of person he was in his youth.

Having spent the majority of his life comfortably thriving in high crime urban environments, he earned his “street cred” on the block in New York and other metropolitan cities as a “Yute” and molded his current principles and methodologies based on teachings from a family tree that looks like the “Who’s Who” of NYPD’s Most Wanted list. He has used this information in what he likes to call the “Grey Hat” role; the good guy (white hat) who thinks like a bad guy (the black hat) and walks the line to get the job done mostly by the book (Grey Hat).

Sam now shares his unique understanding of the criminal “modus operandi” with the general public in open enrollment classes through his personal protection training consultancy, Caliber Training Group, LLC. You can also see what’s going on in his brain in the role of the unlikely good guy, by subscribing to his blog “Safe In the City/ Urban Threat Solutions”. He’s a Scorpio and enjoys long walks in dark neighborhoods, getting his hair cut, and looking at big booty twerking videos on YouTube.

38 thoughts on “Mike Lamb Is a Liar…So What, Who Cares?

    • May 28, 2017 at 12:39 pm
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      Felon implies a conviction. Arrests mean nothing.

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  • May 21, 2017 at 5:15 am
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    Oh I get it, APRIL FOOLS! Wait, its May……shit. This is a real article.

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  • May 17, 2017 at 7:52 am
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    Shocking, a do nothing with no green or blue time doesn’t understand why people are pissed that someone lied about their service.

    Why do you think anyone who has done the damn thing cares about what a reformed thinks?

    I’m chalking this article up to projection. I hope you enjoy your time on BBC before your uncle pookie outs you for being a silver spoon trust fund kid of a doctor.

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  • May 9, 2017 at 8:25 pm
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    1) People are drawn to instructors with combat experience because they have been in a life and death situation where they had to perform. (All things being equal, I’ll take the good teacher with combat experience over the good teacher with no combat experience)

    2) You’re going to talk shit about a dead patriot who has done more for this country than yourself, while simultaneously saying that this guy who lied, it shouldn’t matter because the real problem is the community that created his lie for him that he then allowed to continue?

    I think I get what you were going for, saying essentially that as a result of the GWOT, the tactical/shooting industry has boomed. As a result of that boom, the ones who fought in the GWOT are sought after because of the real experience or because people are fanboys. I think that’s kinda where you were going, but it’s hard to interpret while stepping around all the bullshit you spewed in your article.

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  • May 9, 2017 at 7:11 pm
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    Ha ha ha ha ha! The author rants about instructors who embellish their backgrounds with “been there done that” because it “is synonymous with success and respect”, yet his bio has him doing the same with his “street cred”. Only problem is there’s no DD214 issued from the “streets”.

    Terrible article filled with envy and jealousy. I can name a dozen instructors who were never in the military or law enforcement that are great instructors. This guy ain’t one of them

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  • May 9, 2017 at 12:34 pm
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    Dude made money off of the premise that he was a qualified individual. Qualifications that he lied about and you’re making excuses, diverting attention and countering his lack of integrity.

    Shit article…

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    • May 10, 2017 at 8:58 am
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      I think the point just flew right by you. Let me help you out.

      If I go to a driving school, and my instructors big claim to fame is that he is a neuro-surgeon… And it comes out that he is only a dentist… Who cares? I’m there to learn how to drive.

      People who went to Lamb’s courses were not training to be Recon. They weren’t Recon guys. They weren’t ultra high speed operator ninjas… He was a private instructor, and most of his students were civilians and cops.

      If he was Recon, it only tells us he is qualified to… Be a Recon Marine. Nothing else. And the point here is that being a Recon Marine has very little to do with being a quality concealed handgun instructor, or quality home defense instructor.

      People are lining up left and right and gaze upon neuro-surgeons… And these people look pretty dumb, because surgeons might have a steady hand and good set of eyes – but lots of people have those. We need to be hunting for quality drivers. The other side of this? As soon as we stop worshiping surgeons as gods, people will stop claiming to be surgeons…

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      • May 22, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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        This a bullshit comparison. If you go to a driving school and the instructor claimed to have 20-years of Gran Prix racing Formula 1 cars, but turns out he just attended Mario Andretti’s Racing Experience a dozen times. It doesn’t matter how many times he broke 100 mph on those retired Formula 1 cars, he still a piece of whale shit because (a) He never really drove a Formula 1 car in a real race AND (b) He is taking credit for someone else’s experience.

        Unlike your worthless ass, I have multiple DD214s that account for my almost 30-years of combined military service, 17-years and 9-months of which count towards retirement. I also have 34 DOCUMENTED parachute jumps obtained either in Jump School (5 jumps), as part of an Airborne Infantry Company (28 jumps) or as part of a CA BN (1 jump at 45-years of age). I also have 9-years as a Volunteer Law Enforcement Officer.

        By your warped logic, I can claim to have been a former member of CAG or FBI HRT and offer my “expertise” in training people under the cloak of such lies. That is the type of bullshit only those who have never earned any of these titles would never understand. I have no problems making claims based on MY ACTUAL ACHIEVEMENTS; especially since I have all the badges, medals, certificates and orders to prove their accuracy. But there is no way that I could, in good conscience, claim to be anything else than what I ever was.

        This is called BEING HONEST AND HAVING ETHICS. Your hero lied about something that he is not and about a title that takes a heck of a lot more man than he or you ever will be. And that is as DISHONEST AND UNETHICAL as it can get.

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        • May 22, 2017 at 3:10 pm
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          I meant to type in, “Unlike this so-called author’s worthless ass,…” I did not mean to make my response personal.

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  • May 8, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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    He’s a fucking liar….what more do you idiots need to hear???

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  • May 8, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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    Sooo, I had to stop reading this bullshit. A nobody validating a poser who built his career on lies. . YOU go fuck YOURSELF. Go fucking do something with your life before you criticize those who have been there.

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  • May 8, 2017 at 1:32 pm
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    Well, I for one am super impressed by the opinion of a guy who is “a Scorpio and enjoys long walks in dark neighborhoods, getting his hair cut, and looking at big booty twerking videos on YouTube.”

    Sure changed my whole point of view on Lamb.

    :/

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  • May 8, 2017 at 4:26 am
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    You really ran this dude? Try asking around about him or something. Lol. He’s got some solid points but he’s missing perspective. I attended the school he claimed to have passed. I was booted for medical with a few weeks left after spending close to 7 months trying to class up. That’s why I’m mad. Many other vets are mad fir similar reasons and their friends are mad bc they are mad. This dude is always overly simplistic and heavily one way in his thought process. That’s why he has blocked so many ppl on FB.

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  • May 8, 2017 at 4:05 am
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    HOLY Sheeeyt that was AWESOME and the straight up truth bomb.. and that part about “he held their head in place and blasted them in the tonsils” F**king CLASSIC!!!

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  • May 7, 2017 at 7:29 pm
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    Sam hayes, I get that you might be upset with the current state of tactics and instruction in tactics, but I am curious what gives you the right to call Chris Kyle a liar. That man has done more for this country in his short lifetime than you could hope to do with ten lifetimes. Do you have any validity to your claims, or are you just hating because of jealously.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 7:25 pm
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    The reason why real professionals like learning from veterans is because a vet’s experience can be measured via their service record. What this moron lost sight of is not everyone is a milsim bro that jacks off to mag flips and barrel rolls. I’d much rather trust a guy that has real time combat experience over a guy that has “street cred”. We’re pretty much taking your word on that one. Someone like Mike Lamb happens because the companies that hire these frauds don’t do the proper vetting. They hire guys because they look good on camera and so and so vouched for them. A poser will do what a poser does, but I blame the companies that never asked questions for creating Mike Lamb. I know guys with experience coming out of their ears that were told to pound sand because “nobody has heard of them”. Then again, how would all these action figure businesses stay open if they didn’t cater to the milsim wannabes.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 7:13 pm
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    Well schizzel my nizzle…. Get the fuck out! You’re stupid…

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  • May 7, 2017 at 6:56 pm
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    The ousting of this guy is disappointing to the professionals who have earned the title of Reconnaissance Marine. It is, on occasion, equally or more disappointed to see someone who has earned the title do something to damage the honor of the community. You bring up a very important point of customers not vetting their instructors and the perceived “mean girls” club that exists amongst firearm enthusiast.

    The majority of the community upholds the silent professional ethos. This isn’t to be confused with the “I am not supposed to talk about it, but you seem pretty cool so…” blah, blah, blah. Though my work regularly crosses into the tactical / military / LEO training community it is something I believe is important to approach without ego. I have been fortunate to attend and complete some of the greatest and most realistic training as well as implementing the strategy in the combat environment. That doesn’t make me better than anyone, and I rarely refer to it as “service”, nor require any thanks. I have also been very fortunate to attend some great courses put on by instructors with no combat-proven block in their pedigree. I immediately notice that there are a select few who differentiate their brand with the ability to communicate and empirically translate skills that possess incredible merit given the right environment.

    A combative is fluid, as combat is fluid. Exposure to different tactics offers value, enhances the thought process and increases the number of responses to a threat. That being said, Mike Lamb lost his credibility and honor. The issue with stealing (or even borrowing) valor is that it is a method of cutting corners to add value. When the corners being cut are along a route that has been traversed by selfless Alphas and with a heavy price, it is a cause for disappointment and I am never surprised at how that is expressed.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm
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    Shut up, Civilian. No one gives a rat’s ass about your “street cred”

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  • May 7, 2017 at 6:13 pm
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    That’s one way of looking at it. I think a more accurate way would be that by training with SOF Veterans you can be sure that they have received at least the minimum training to do that job. It’s a basic first rung vetting process. When someone doesn’t have a military background, a civilian can’t be sure the tactics and techniques they are teaching have been validated by someone who actually has been there and done that.

    When it comes to civilians training to be better at their home range then I don’t really care. However, the next group of professional gunslingers should be taught by the last group of professional gunslingers. Not by a self taught dude who doesn’t have the experience of applying it in real world situations.

    That you haven’t been part of the SOF community doesn’t mean anything to me. However, if you had been a member of our community you would give a shit when bullshitters are exposed.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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    All while your bio talks about your “street cred” as a means of a background. Background means something to everyone I guess.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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    This article has a lot of edginess and maybe some misplaced anger.

    If you want to start taking the clothes off of the emperors you don’t think should be worshiped, why not publish articles debunking them here instead of getting the vapors about the reaction to this guy. Since there’s no website with the names of every spec ops dude in the country (probably for good reason) people can’t always ‘vet’ them easily otherwise. (I’ve never gone to anyone like that and my training was all government done and of the medium drag, low-speed variety)

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  • May 7, 2017 at 1:48 pm
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    Who cares?

    Consumers who spent money purchasing goods and services based upon that lie.

    And to affirm that he lied and defrauded people and organizations, and dismiss his actions with “so what” speaks volumes about your chatacter, or the lack thereof.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 1:00 pm
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    Dude that comment about blasting them in the tonsils was brilliant. Also excellent points about the training industry as a whole. I’m still not down with his lying. That said, most of the private consumers should be focused on non military, non law enforcement applications of lethal and non lethal force , and you do not need a former military or LEO to teach that. You need someone who has thought about concealed carry and the context within which an armed citizen may need to legally use violence regardless of background. Still blasting tonsils wins the Internet for the next few days.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 12:51 pm
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    Why does it matter with Lamb? Because he provides training in things that could find their way into a Court of Law and people that have paid him money and invested their time depend upon him to provide legal back-up if their actions are ever called into account!

    When he walks into a Courtroom to explain the training one of his students has received from him, he walks-in as an liar that instantly compromises everything he says after that.

    With Hayes, his background is marginalized in the same setting simply due to the fact that he DOESN’T lie about it.

    Lamb lied to increase his value in a crowded marketplace, not caring about the people that trusted him and may have to count on him when everything is on the line after they potentially survived the first “Worst day of their life”.

    THAT is why it matters that Lamb lied about a material fact…that is why it matters when ANYONE in the same field lies about a material fact.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 12:44 pm
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    I had, and still have, no idea who Lamb is. When this news first broke what I heard was a line from a NOFX song “Some wonder why he took the fall/Others just ask who the hell is he

    And why should we care for him?”.

    That out of the way, while this op-ed is gonna piss off a lot of people, it’s spot-the-fuck-on.

    There are way, way too many people out there “training” other people based on persona and aura rather than the ability to teach other people anything useful and applicable in civilian life. Those people thrive because overweight, middle aged folks are willing to shell out a ton of cash to put on a plate carrier and run “tactical” drills for a few days because the “trainer” has a badass YouTube channel and claims some sort of experience that really has nothing to do with the trainee’s day to day life.

    Look, don’t get me wrong here. If people want to put on the kit and do some drills, that’s totally fine but the author has a point here that such behavior creates and reinforces an environment where embellishment is going to happen because it’s basically being encouraged. It’s being encouraged by a society that wants “high speed, low drag” training because they have no real understanding of what’s applicable to their life.

    Look, if people want to wear the plate carrier covered in PALS with mag pouches and smoke grenades and shit and keep that in the trunk of their car next to the SBR with 27 items attached to the pic rail, that’s fine and dandy but unless they have a job that requires such gear what are the chances they ever use it?

    About the same as me running to the bathroom, putting on a Ninja Turtle outfit and battling 100 members of the Foot Clan when they attack my wife at the local movie theater.

    So, if that’s what the market is demanding, OK cool but be aware it comes with the side effect that a lot of trainers will hype themselves as a total Jedi Master because what’s really selling isn’t useful knowledge and skill sets but rather hyped up tactical bullshit.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 12:32 pm
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    I’d like to take a training class with the author. Superb write-up!

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  • May 7, 2017 at 11:32 am
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    Thank you for standing up and saying what others dont have the balls to!

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  • May 7, 2017 at 11:20 am
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    Not sure how you can’t see this is stolen valor, he lied about his training and background in order to land govt training contracts. And yes that does help with landing those contracts especially when you’re competing with other extremely well known companies, and your material is regurgitated from others. Lamb needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent it’s that simple otherwise it proves to other slimeballs that once you get big enough nothing happens to you. The people who are trying to give him a pass are hypocrites, they all like to talk shit about other stolen valor turds but when it comes to their boy wonder now they say oh move on no one cares? And again here you are talking about this lie that the industry creates and how that leads way to guys like Lamb, yet your bio reads like the dossier of the dude from the game watch dog. You, chief amung us, should be pissed; via your bio youve fought tooth and nail to get where you are but here you are trying to rush it off. I can see what youre getting at, “dont give then the attention they crave and they will wither,” am I correct? However this is one of the few times where the firearms industry needs to be ruthless, needs to show exactly what happens when people lie for their gain, not only does it need to end this bullshit but it needs to crush thus so hard it shows the rest of those two faced pieces of shit that its not worth the money. You being from the streets, i would expect you to recognise when to use eithr strategy. Guess not. BBC I expected better quality from you. A lot of friends voucher for your Character but this guest author really does you a disservice.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 11:19 am
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    Fuck Yeah! Pretty crass, but I’d say Mr. Hayes just hit the nail with a 5lb sledge, so it doesn’t really matter if it’s on the head. Thanks BBC (no not the news, or that other dangling thing) for posting this and letting Mr. Hayes explain there’s a whole lot of grey when it comes to matters of right and wrong.

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  • May 7, 2017 at 10:44 am
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    No one made he lie. He did it on his own.

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