A beheading in Oklahoma: realism, not idealism (nor sensationalism)

Man beheads woman after murdering her in Oklahoma (Vaughn Foods distribution plant in Moore, outside Oklahoma City). There is a possibility of an Islamic/religious aspect to it. In online discussions people want to either jump to conclusions or act as apologists. Both are counterproductive. We cannot stick our head in the sand, but overreaction and uninformed judgement can be just as egregious. Examples:

1) One person says, “Just because he tried to convert coworkers to Islam doesn’t mean he was a Muslim.  Wait…what? Of course he wasn’t. He was a Zoroastrian, he just happened to be proselytizing a religion whose members have recently beheaded a number of people because he didn’t want all the Zoroastrians to be blamed.

2) Another says “It was workplace violence not a religious murder”. Wait, what? You know that how exactly? He was allegedly a Muslim, who tried to convert others to Islam. He cut off a woman’s head in the same fashion as has recently been done to journalists and innocent people who wouldn’t convert. This absolutely could have been a religious murder.

3) Yet a third says, “It was Islamic terror! This guy was just doing what ISIS told him to do.” Wait, what? You know that how exactly? He was allegedly a Muslim, and even if he was, this could be nothing more than some sick fuck killing people. Maybe it’s because he got fired, or didn’t get laid, or because his mom never hugged him and he’s a sociopath. He was formerly convicted of escape from detention, A&B on a police officer and multiple felonies – not exactly a sweetheart to begin with, no matter what deity he favored.

Our editor believes we should be ruthlessly realistic and pragmatic when determining motive and truth. Tolerance and realistic-pragmatism are not mutually exclusive. Here was his initial response to a Facebook conversation.

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“Initial reports are ALWAYS wrong. This is true at the S.O., at your house when your daughter comes home late, at the TOC overseas. They are are ALWAYS wrong, if for no more or other reason than they’re incomplete. For instance, the man who shot the suspect has been variously described as an off duty reserve deputy working security and as the COO of the entire company. Pretty big variance there. The “Islamic angle” could mean a lot or nothing. I was part of the response to the bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City – we all thought (understandably) that was the work of Muslims too. The religious angle should be considered, but in context and not to the exclusion of other possibilities. All pertinent information should be considered, regardless of how distasteful or politically inexpedient. This is equally true for sensationalism and hyperbole. Both should be eschewed as an unnecessary distraction and counterproductive waste of effort.

If the murderer was trying to convert coworkers to Islam, then he was a Muslim. If he was a Muslim, or if his religious beliefs factored into what happened in any way, we’d be foolishly and willfully obtuse to ignore it. We must acknowledge religion could have played a role without assuming it did so. Here’s a hint – lots of Muslims trying to kill Americans lately, and many beheadings resulted. That said, the fact that he was a Muslim (if indeed he really was) should have no bearing on the final outcome. This could have been a workplace violence issue, a mental health issue or something other than religious in nature. Hell he may have beheaded that poor woman just because he saw a beheading on the news and it tickled his sociopathic, sickening fancy.

Ideally we ignore religion, background, ethnicity, income and many other factors. Realistically we’d be stupid to do so. Idealists write great poetry and awesome fiction. Realists and pragmatists are better suited for criminal investigations, trials and winning wars. This is unfortunate, but a fact. Idealism and wishful thinking have no place in criminal investigations or threat analyses. Let’s look at the facts and possibilities without preconception or bias – but let’s don’t discard any either.”

Here’s one takeaway we can presumably all agree on – it’s a good thing there was a man there with a gun. In this case he was a reserve LEO (Oklahoma County Sheriff’s Office reserve deputy). It might just as easily have been a concealed carry permit holder OR someone who carried a gun against the rules. Remember the doctor in Philadelphia?

Do you go heeled or do you just hope for the best?

Here’s another question – how many business allow CCW on the part of their employees? If this 4-year reserve LEO (who may run the plant and is apparently part of family that owns the eponymous business) hadn’t been there, would it have gone differently?

What if it had been a concealed carrier who never went to the range – this Reserve Deputy (Mark Vaughan) had a 10-month reserve academy and multiple continuing education courses under his belt. He’d also attended training iterations with the OCSO tactical unit. Are you prepared? Do you spend as much time perfecting your drawstroke and sight alignment as you do your putting?

Keep your comments academic please.

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20 thoughts on “A beheading in Oklahoma: realism, not idealism (nor sensationalism)

  • October 5, 2014 at 1:31 am
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    Let’s be clear.

    What we didn’t do during world war II was talk about how NAZI’s and orientals were not all horrible people. We rounded up the Japs, and we would have rounded up the Germans, except they looked too much like us, so there was no viable way to do that.

    It is vital for our humint folks to understand the finer details of Islam and know who we can ally ourselves with in the region and who we can’t.

    It’s similarly vital that, domestically, we “other” ALL muslims living in the Homeland and intern or deport them as soon as possible after a viable CiC takes the oath of office in 2017.

    We are at war, whether we choose to accept that fact or not. Our enemy has learned from our history. They won’t give us a Pearl Harbor. They’ll just immigrate, breed, and outvote us until democracy becomes nothing more than another tool to implement sharia.

    You guys created the T-shirt, now is the time to start believing it. When it comes to muslims, kill them all, break all their shit.

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  • October 1, 2014 at 12:48 pm
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    Note: the carrier of a concealed handgun stopped the rampage.

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    • October 26, 2014 at 10:19 am
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      Note to Muslims, don’t bring a knife to a gun-fight!

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  • September 28, 2014 at 10:42 pm
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    Amen. While some supposition is reasonable pending the investigation, we shouldn’t take reasonable supposition as gospel.

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  • September 28, 2014 at 10:29 pm
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    Since we have waited the appropriate amount of time for discovery and learn this creature had copious amount of radical islamist info on his Facebook, AND a Muslim name, as well as a connection to a radical Islamist factory (mosque) in OKC, the FBI will STILL classify this as workplace violence, and I’m left wondering… How MANY of these go on euphemised as something innocuous so that we STAY dumb fat and happy sheep!?! Where if we KNEW how many terrorist events were happening, we might start demanding the Presidizzle do HIS JOB and PROTECT US!

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  • September 28, 2014 at 1:45 am
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    My putt wishes I spent even half the time on it that I put into either my draw stroke or my reload.

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  • September 27, 2014 at 7:34 am
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    ………..REDFriday

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  • September 26, 2014 at 6:33 pm
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    It doesn’t really matter what his religious beleifs are, he’s a fucking nut case.

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    • September 26, 2014 at 11:32 pm
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      Damn skippy, Doug.

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  • September 26, 2014 at 6:23 pm
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    Regardless, we need the facts to tell what happened and then punish accordingly through the courts.

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  • September 26, 2014 at 5:05 pm
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    Excellent points and I am anxious to see how this develops. I know they have too complete the investigation, but I find it very interesting that we haven’t heard what the perp said when he burst in and started getting stabby

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  • September 26, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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    Just more workplace violence… BY A FUCKING MUSLIM!!! Nothing to see hear, Christians please move on and deposit your man cards in the slot on the way out the door. I’m just sick to death of this. You’d think their religion makes them superman.

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    • September 26, 2014 at 4:24 pm
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      You say that like Muslims have a monopoly on terrorism in the US. FYI, the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the US was committed by Christians.

      Not that school history books ever say anything about the Tulsa bombings or anything.

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      • September 26, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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        Lex, we don’t necessarily agree with EN, but your response doesn’t make much sense. The “Tulsa bombings” (if you’re referring to what went on in the neighborhoods of Greenwood, Archer, Pine and surround areas) don’t really hold up as religious comparisons here. You might just as well use the “well Christians had the Inquisition!” argument. There are vastly more Muslims committing acts of murder and terror in the name of religion than CURRENTLY than members of any other organized faith. We should acknowledge that and take it under consideration without jumping to the conclusion that Islam had fuck-all to do with the murder in Moore.

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        • September 28, 2014 at 10:43 pm
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          Well actually, the Christian Crusades started because they were sick of the hoards of Muslims that were invading Europe murdering, raping, enslaving their children and generally making mischief… The Caliphate had gobbled up the entire Mediterranean region and the Caliphs were ordering blonde-haired, blue-eyed children to be stolen as sex slaves for their harems… I’d go on a crusade too, to stop that!

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          • October 26, 2014 at 10:54 am
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            Actually, I agree with you….and I don’t drive a German car….and my children already know this….

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            • October 26, 2014 at 11:10 am
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              I hate to think that there are so many of us who don’t realize this. There really are not that many people that can see this, and the only reason it is not a National issue is I beleive we are too embarrassed to admit it.

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      • September 27, 2014 at 3:39 pm
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        I would really like to know what is being refered to as “vast majority”. I also have nefer heard a report of any acts of terrorism by some one shouting “Praise Jesus” while commiting henious acts of murder or felonious assault. If that were to occure I am sure you would hear an out cry from the Christian community against such an action, Just as fellow Christians that I know have condemed the actions of such lunatics as the baptist nut jobs who were protesting at soldieres funerilas. To a Christian those types of actions bring into question that persons real beliefs.

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